The list for september 04, my first list

Just a sample for now, of what is to come hopefully

Gaia online

Nebetsu
What about the fossils and stuff? You know: the ones with human footprints and dinosaur footprints side by side?

Nebetsu
Ok. I just want you to admit that Evolution is a religion just like Christianity.


christian forums

ServantofTheOne


How does evolution explain unique fingerprints?
Why are our fingerprints unique? what is the mechanism that makes it so. If we slowly developed from apelike ancestors, why no duplication in fingerprints.
How can it be that each and every one of us are born with this uniqueness. Randomness. even randomness would create duplicates... yet we have no duplicates in fingerprints.. why?
not even identical twins have the same fingerprint. can the evolutionary theory explain such a fascinating aspect of humanity.

christian forums

Konnie

(In response to "What would you do if YEC was disproven?")
I'd still believe it anyway.

Toms cafe

Bob Moore

The god of the Moslems is not the God of Jews and Christians. This is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact. Every characteristic of Allah differs from the God of the Bible.

blizzforums

Fenix521

Ya but aint you worried about what the foreign nations think??? How about when a war brokes out, can the soldiers follow there commander if he likes Men....?? WOULD YOU FOLLOW YOUR PRESIDENT INTO BATTLE IF HE WAS GAY????? Surely the Navy would, but thats a different story.....

As for me, Im a big supporter of the Lesbian commuinty.

christian forums

Miah (while I may sometimes accidentally remove spaces, this is only part of an even longer paragraph) (this may be a troll post, I am unsure)

ATHEISTS:They are ever learning and they grow only as science and technology grow or as large as their brain has room for their fallible evaluations based on their own bias probabilities, which usually go in their favor. They can't understand how the values of love, care, mercy, forgiveness is much easier when you have something bigger inside of you giving you the power to do it(Holy Spirit). For example most of them would say "oh i could never forgive one for that" or "thats what you probably deserve" ohh how sad...They never touch on bible prophecies which came true or are coming true today because they are afraid They can't come up with a number or some tangible proof of how events are to occur. For example they cannot tell anyone what will the sign of the end times be in this world

christian forums

JohnR7

We can only know the truth, when we have the Holy Spirit of Truth. There is a difference between the Holy Spirit coming upon people and being Filled with the Holy Spirit.

christian forums

Vxer1000

I think it odd that something supposedly scientific is so complex and confusing. Every other science I have studied thus far was fairly easy to be understood provided the recipient had an aptitude towards it.

I would measure "unbelieveability" based on the likelihood of someone coming to believe that which they do not believe now. The likelihood of myself coming to believe in evolution is zero. You could not even force me to believe it.

christian forums

kenneth558

OK Tomk80, let's suppose that this first humanoid is born from chimpoid parents. Thus begins a human lineage, right? But that first humanoid would produce no offspring unless it mated with another (opposite-gender, of course) humanoid with homologous karyotype. Otherwise, consider it sterile in its environment. Don't neglect inbreeding depression as you ponder this - it will be a natural selection factor against the formation of a new species.

Rapture ready

Live4Him (this ones bad even for RR)

GUESS WHAT I HAVE NEWS FOR EVERYONE!!! TODAY I TURNED ON TV IT WAS ON CNN AND I DIDNT PAY ATTENTION UNTIL ONE COMMERCIAL CAME UP, AND IT CAUGHT MY MIND, THEY WERE SHOWING A WATER FALL AND A BENCH, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE AND IT MADE ME FEEL ALL GOOD AND STUFF AND I WASNT LISTENING TO WHAT THEY WERE SAYING UNTIL IN THE END THEY SAID, SINCERELY GOD OR SOMETHING, IT WAS A COMMERCIAL OF A METHODIST CHURCH, THIS PROVES THAT I HAVE A FEELING FOR ..GODLY STUFF. ANYWAY, I KEPT WATCHING THE NEWS SO I CAN SEE THE COMMERCIAL AGAIN AND THEY WERE SHOWING NEWS ABOUT HOW PEOPLE WILL START REPLACING BARCODES WITH LITTLE CHIPS FOR THE STORES SO THAT RETAILERS CAN KNOW ALL THIS INFO ABOUT THEIR PRODUCT AND THE NEWS WERE CALLED SOMETHING (THE SMART CHIP) THEN WHAT AMAZED ME WAS THAT THEY SAID THEY WILL START IMPLANTING THOSE INTO SOLDIERS, AND THEN IMPLANTING THEM INTO PEOPLE AS A MEDICAL HISTORY INFO, WOW, THAT JUST SHOCK ME, I THINK GOD WAS BEHIND THIS WHOLE THING ON TV TODAY, I APOLOGIZE FOR CAPS, IM NOT YELLING I JUST LIKE TO WRITE IN CAPITAL LETTERS! WELL THATS MY STORY AND NEWS, I THINK WE'LL SEE RAPTURE PRETTY SOON MAYBE BY THE TIME IM 40 OR SO IM 17 WHEN ALL THOSE CHIPS COME INTO EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD. GOD BLESS ALL AND GOOD NITE.

P.S. I THINK GOD WANTED ME TO SEE THAT AND SHARE IT WITH ALL MY BROTHER AND SISTERS IN CHRIST.

http://www.x-evolutionist.com/

But, think for a second, how many people do you know whose dog had babies and the babies weren’t dogs? If the theory is true then the first animal that was of the dog kind of animal including wolf, jackal, hyena, coyote, fox, dingo, etc. had parents that were not dogs. There were no other dogs yet. Any of these animals can mate and have a baby that’s still the dog kind. These are just different varieties of dogs that look different because they don’t live the same place the others do. They have a “family” resemblance to the other dogs in the same habitat. But, Darwin thinks that this means that given enough time that all plants and animals happened accidentally. With all of the intentional gene combining that has happened for centuries we have seen nothing changed into another animal. And yet, evolutionists claim that all the animals that we see happened by accident. With his observations on pigeons and finches Darwin decided that life descended from “primitive” cells. There is a very interesting book called "Darwin's Black Box" by Michael J. Behe, a biochemist who is Professor of Biochemistry at Lehigh University . The whole book is about the workings of a cell and he describes it as complicated as a big city. There is no such thing as a primitive cell.

christian forums

cryptobranchus

Back again to my other question. If all knowledge will eventually pass away (with the destruction of the planet or the human race) why should you care if the next generation will have it? I have read many posts that say because it will benefit the next generation, but the next generation will die. So what if there is a cure for cancer and aids (if there is no afterlife)? They will die anyway and turn into worm food. Why have kids? They will turn into worm food. Knowledge (if there is no afterlife) will eventually die.

Christian Underground

X-Evolutionist

I was firmly committed to the theories of abiogenesis and evolution for almost 50 years. I love to watch nature shows on PBS which is also committed to these theories as shown by how often it is mentioned. However, they often admit how much is unknown. I saw a recent show on birds. One segment was about birds traveling thousands of miles to a place they have never been. And then they say they don't know how the birds navigate. Yes, in their philosophy, it is not known, because they are automatically excluding the obvious choice.

God programmed the animals with amazing abilities that demonstrate his existence.

"If it’s in the Bible, it is not true" is a very common belief, but, it is a very lame basic for science.

gersteljtc

I feel sorry for anyone who can seriously believe in evolution. And I'm not trying to say that I didn't once believe the lies before I came to Christ - so I know how easy it is to fool a non-believer. Now when I look back and realize that I never asked questions of what was taught in school, and thought that evolution somehow played into God's creation -- I have to laugh at my gulable self! How can you watch the change of seasons -- the growth of a baby in the mother's womb, and its birth -- even the everyday rising and setting of the sun ---- without realizing that it was all very carefully constructed?!?

atheist network

reymallers

On the origin of God:

God has always existed since the beginning, that's why He is omnipotent. The fact that He is God means no one created Him. If someone did create Him, then He would not be God (the one who created Him would be God).

House of cards:

Spider is correct, he got it right. You cannot have a car without "car makers", meaning metal would not by itself form into a ferrari. It has to have an "intellect" for such complex design.

[snip] (I don't even need a snip to show him contradicting himself)

On historical Bible:

There was a feature on cable (I believe it was Discovery channel again), which strengthened the occurences of "Noah's Ark". Basically, scientists were puzzled to find "fossilized remains" of plants, animals, etc. on high places where it was physically impossible to have a presence there. Say, "sea fish fossils" atop mountains, etc. A great flood is likely to be the cause. It's too long to discuss here though.

On Hell:

Some have suggested it is more merciful for God to stop the evil souls' suffering by erasing them from existence rather than letting them burn in fire for eternity. Logical, but flawed. There is a theological principle that God does not destroy what He has already created.

reymallers (doesn't he realise what this destroys his argument?)

Who is proposing the universe started from nothing? (poor POOR scarecrow) ...

Maybe the universe has always existed....

Answer: Maybe God has always existed..... (as we are sure He has).

christian underground

cybersaintkc

What will happen if sodomites win the right to marry?


YES America will survive.
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NO America will fall just like Rome, Greece, and other nations did when it embraced perversion
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America will survive, but it will pay a high price for it's sin.
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IIDB

Mordy

I think the 2001 principle 2001 principle.net is a good place to start in asking questions. (Ignoring the religious overtones of the article, the point still holds in my mind).Basically it boils down to this:The audience and everyone (even secular people) agreed that a monolithic cut and polished black slab if found on the moon is evidence of design, but not a proton powered motor (like the flagella) that is in fact more advanced then the black slab. So this is one of those things that make you say "thats funny, you agree a black polished, accurately cut piece of rock is designed, but not an advanced proton driven motor?"

Tom's cafe


Bob Moore

Look again. Your basic assumption (and his), as I have clearly stated, merely substitutes one impossibility for another. If birds could not have 'sprung from the muck', neither could anything else.

Tom's cafe

bear@bearkilts

Animals are not resources for humans to kill for laziness or enjoyment. Guys like the guy in the story are why there are laws to protect animals. All life is precious.
I don't want to get into religion because I'm not religious. One of the few things I know about the bible is that it says "Thou shalt not kill." It doesn't specify what is or is not allowed to be killed, or give any leeway for interpretation. It's a very straight forward command.
"Thou shalt not kill."


blizzforums

Kaervek

Replying to "Atheism doesn't necessarily state that God doesn't exist, rather it is a lack of belief that God does exist, meaning that it is a non-belief"

Wrong.

To be an atheist, one must denounce Christianity outright.
To say the information with which one concludes God exists, (see: lack of belief in general), is to be agnostic.


Biiig difference.

blizzforums

Fallen_Upwards

Actually, I CAN prove that god doesn't exist, conclusively, with science.

Simple really. God is all powerful right?
Yes (Ask any Christian and they'll anwser thusly)

All powerful means infinite energy right?
Yes (Simple again, easily proved)

The universe is a finite (If ever expanding) size right?
Yes (I can prove that one if you don't believe it)

The second law of thermodynamics states that energy flows from high point to low poitn yes?
Yes (Once more conclusively proven)

Therefore, if the universe is a finite size it must go up in energy/space ratio for every joule added correct?
Yes (This is really simple, if it's not common sense i'll explain it too you)

The universe has a finite amount of energy yes?
Yes (If it didn't entropy wouldn't exist)

So, the energy is flowing from god at infinite J/s (Joules/second) and the universe goes up in energy per joule, if god existed the universe would instantly gain infinite energy and blow our brains out.

Thus God does not exist.

BUT, the bibel theaches many useful lessons. This is why religion is important it teaches ETHICS! (sure it doesn't follow them, but still...)

christian forums

DaDaimon (I've bolded the more insane bits)

Let's first examine what religious people like Courthead have said about god, he is supernatural, thus not from this world, not natural. For something to be real, it has to be inside reality. A hypothese pertaining reality can be scientifically tested. However according Courthead and numerous others, god cannot be scientifically tested, because he is supernatural and even exists outside of the reality of this universe, because how else could he have created it? Again I solely base myself on what the god team has said in this thread and in the past threads. Something that does not exist in this reality, cannot be tested by methods devised to test wheter something is real or isn't. Ergo something that is supernatural, exists outside of reality, logically cannot be real. I hope that I have answered the question to your satisfaction my fellow forum members. Thank you for reading and for your time.

christian underground

Selwyn (He obviously doesn't realise there is such a thing as utilitarianism (or that th eurypthro dilemma still holds))

I mentioned that oft-uttered phrase "Who's to say what right and wrong are?" And that really is the first question that must be asked: who IS to say what right and wrong are? Well, there are only two possibilities: either man does or something outside man does. The idea that man determines right and wrong is known as "moral relativism"; this means that morals are relative to the time, place and people. The idea that right and wrong are determined by something outside of man is known as "Absolute Truth." How society answers this question has serious implications, because embracing one belief or the other will determine which path mankind takes. They are diverging roads that lead to places that are as different as Heaven and Hell.

http://www.christian-underground.com/index.php

Just look at them, I'll probably be getting a lot of input from there if I can be bothered to surf all the forums (they have 77, and the max no. people they've had is 149)

blizzforums

Breton (this wins an award for linking a webpage that disproves it)

It seems this may turn into a debate about the definition of atheism, so to lay that debate dead once and for all:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=atheism

So in order to be an atheist, you'll have to believe there are no gods. The "don't believe in anything" is in fact agnostic or non-theistic.

christian underground

archangelMichael

Do abortion doctors have contests to see which one can be the most cruel and cold-hearted? Part of me says, "of course not!" but another part is really not so sure anymore


http://www.ex-atheist.com/7.html (I wonder if its a parody, because he's basically listing all the tactics used by apologists as being atheist tactics (of course some atheists do use them, generally the God-hating kind, so maybe he really was an atheist))

blizzforums

SiegeTank

Atheism requires you to not believe in the existance of God. Theism requires you to believe in the existance of God. Agnosticism requires you to wonder about whether or not there exists a God.

I don't not believe in the existance of God, I do not believe in the existance of a god and I do not wonder about whether or not a God exists. I hold no opinion on the subject and I refuse to wonder about it.